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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 11, 2021 12:02:25 GMT
Ok to start a new thread on this? If not, please merge.
First off, how do we know the names of the songs? They're on Wikipedia but were they actually listed in one of the official communications?
So, here they are as listed on Wiki/.
1. "I Still Have Faith in You" 5:09
2. "When You Danced with Me"
3. "Little Things"
4. "Don't Shut Me Down" 3:56
5. "Just a Notion" 3:29
6. "I Can Be That Woman"
7. "Keep an Eye on Dan"
8. "Bumblebee"
9. "No Doubt About It"
10. "Ode to Freedom"
We obviously know lots about 'I Still Have Faith' and 'Don't Shut Me Down', having been released now. 'Just a Notion' is the only other song with a duration next to it (3:29). Any idea where this came from? ITunes? This suggests that it might be the next song to be released. We've been told that Little Things is a Christmas song. Wikipedia claims that Just a Notion and Bumblebee are demos from way back, and already released in a box set (first I'd heard).
This leaves five songs which we know nothing about (?) and perhaps one can assume have all been written in the last two or three years: i.e. When you danced with me, I can be that woman, Keep an eye on Dan, No doubt about it, and Ode to Freedom. Does that sound about right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 12:28:37 GMT
Just a Notion a demo from 1978.
I am not sure if the Bumblebee song is the same as a similar titled track from around that era.
Both from ABBA Undeleted track from 1994 box set Thankyou for the Music.
Ode to Freedom - a comment on Sweden's lack of lockdowns over covid?
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 11, 2021 12:41:42 GMT
This version was released by ABBA tribute act, Arrival, many years ago and produced by Rutger Gunnarson. It was okayed by Benny and, if I haven't misremembered something I read, it even brought tears to his eyes. So I guess these may be the complete lyrics - unless Bjorn has revised them. I wonder if the country feel will be as prominent in the 2021 version? It has some BAO vibes to it too. And here's a comment that was recently posted under the video by Fredrick Andersson, who was involved in the recording:
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Post by jj on Sept 11, 2021 12:47:12 GMT
I just hope "Ode to Freedom" isn't some kind of pompous political statement that ends up making ABBA sound like they're trying really hard to be taken seriously. The title sounds dangerously like Bjorn might have been in a pretentious mood when he wrote the lyrics (certainly, the title on its own sounds high-falutin, I think). I worry that Bjorn here may have wanted to convince people he never really was a silly, cape-wearing, platform-booted smiley guy from those cheesy 1973/74 tv shows and film-clips, but a highly sophisticated man about town, an intellectual, a deep thinker. Bjorn biting off more than he can chew is a bit of a frightening prospect for me, to be honest, and any kind of deep political song would automatically open both he and ABBA to an avalanche of ridicule from the media. Hopefully I'm completely wrong about this. Just a notion I'm getting. In any case, whether I'm right or wrong, I'll probably still love it anyhow!
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Post by Alan on Sept 11, 2021 15:47:59 GMT
'Just a Notion' is the only other song with a duration next to it (3:29). Any idea where this came from? ITunes? This suggests that it might be the next song to be released. This comes from the photo of the deluxe CD box on the official store. The photo illustrates what’s in the box, and the lyric booklet just happens to be open on the page with the Just A Notion lyrics, complete with track length. Although it’s not that clear, someone has clearly managed to work out the lyrics are the same as the demo we all know, and that it is indeed 3:29.
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Post by Alan on Sept 11, 2021 16:07:03 GMT
A reconstructed version of Free As A Bumblebee, with some added instrumentation.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 11, 2021 16:29:34 GMT
'Free As A Bumblebee' has to have been greatly improved, to become 'Bumblebee' on 'Voyage'. Otherwise - if it is just the Demo, done as a complete Song - it will be a really weak 'Link' on the 10 Track Album. Elsewhere - Some People are speculating, whether 'No Doubt About It' is a cover of Hot Chocolate's UK No.2 Hit, (1980), of the same name. I hope not, as I 100% would prefer it, to be a brand New Benny and Bjorn Song. Luckily, it is almost certain, to be a brand New Song, due to ABBA not doing Covers. The Hot Chocolate Song is about someone seeing a UFO, and ABBA's Album seems to have an 'Outer Space' image.
'Keep An Eye On Dan' sounds like a 'Comedy' ABBA Song - in the style of the Track on 'The Visitors' - 'Two For The Price Of One'. I hope that it is better, than the Title makes it sound! I hate it, when ABBA do 'Comedy' Songs. The 'Comedy' Track, on 'The Visitors', is one that I've never really liked. I prefer ABBA to do more serious Songs. Whether they be fast Songs, or slow Songs. I guess, that having a 'Comedy' Track, on 'Voyage', is better than ABBA doing a Rap, or Hip Hop Song!
I have been told, that ABBA have 'held back', at least 3 New Songs, to Release in the 'Future'. They may be Released, when The ABBAtars 'Show' opens in May 2022. That is if the Songs exist! Universal, (obviously), plan a very long Promotional Campaign for 'Voyage'. Which is why I urge some Fans not to be disappointed if it is not No.1 in November. It will get there. ABBA are too popular, to fail to have a New No.1 Album. In several Countries, not just the UK and Ireland.
The Songs on 'Voyage' sound intriguing. When we hear it, we will all decide that this Track is our favourite, or that Track is our favourite. Personally, I prefer Up-Tempo ABBA Songs. I hope that there are several on the Album.
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Post by Michal on Sept 11, 2021 16:58:17 GMT
Universal, (obviously), plan a very long Promotional Campaign for 'Voyage'. Which is why I urge some Fans not to be disappointed if it is not No.1 in November. It will get there. ABBA are too popular, to fail to have a New No.1 Album. In several Countries, not just the UK and Ireland. It's encouraging to hear such an optimism from a chart expert. I was under impression that the best chance to reach No.1 is in the first week, thanks to advance orders (which are said to be a new record for Universal). But it's probably true that it's mainly the fans, who pre-ordered the album, while the general public will wait until it actually reaches the shops, so there is a chance of prolonged successful chart presence.
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Post by Michal on Sept 11, 2021 17:00:47 GMT
I really hope that Bumblebee is not the reworked Free As A Bumblebee. I can't imagine how they could do something worthwhile out of the demo we know.
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Post by richard on Sept 11, 2021 18:54:07 GMT
I don't quite know what I'd like to hear from their Voyage album, other than expecting something that's not an older person's attempt to to recapture the style of their musical heyday. But I think they're well aware of the futility of trying to do a sort of Arrival Mk. 10. Here are three ideas that appeal to me - and probably way wide of the mark of what they actually recorded:
A wonderfully tuneful ballad, deploying Agnetha and Frida's voices in a similar way to those of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dixon in I Know Him So Well. I can imagine their respective voices moving in and out, singing counter-melodies against each other, and singing in unison at the end.
A song with all four of them singing together throughout, maybe sometimes in four-part harmony.
A sort of 'jazzy' (for want of a more apt word) loose-limbed, bright, spacious, airy, uptempo track.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 12, 2021 14:42:01 GMT
Hopefully, ABBA have added more 'punch', to their 2021 version of 'Just A Notion'. I always felt, that the 1978 version was rather one paced and bland. It was missing some sort of 'power' in it.
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Post by abbafan456 on Sept 12, 2021 15:29:42 GMT
Here is a zoomed in view of the Just A Notion Lyrics and timestamp.
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 12, 2021 16:35:45 GMT
So the lyrics are unchanged. Interesting to see how the melody and arrangement will be handled. I like the the two singles have 'natural' endings, rather than fades. It'd be nice if they took that approach to the other songs too. I think "Just A Notion" would benefit from being nicely tied up, rather than peter out in a fade.
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Post by Alan on Sept 13, 2021 10:27:21 GMT
Anyone any good at trying to work out which song Agnetha is holding the lyrics to in this screen shot? Again not very clear but I can’t marry up the title with any of the 10 tracks. Could it be one of the three tracks rumoured to have been held back?
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Post by justabba on Sept 14, 2021 15:13:56 GMT
If the bold type is the title its longer than anything on the album, excepting "I still have faith in you"?
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Post by justabba on Sept 14, 2021 15:44:51 GMT
That photo is not the original songs. Agnetha has mask around her chin.
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Post by Alan on Sept 15, 2021 10:48:14 GMT
That photo is not the original songs. Agnetha has mask around her chin. Hopefully at some point we’ll have a timeline of when all ten songs were recorded. Mainly thanks to Carl Magnus Palm, we have that info for all of ABBA’s previous recordings. We know that the two songs already out were recorded in 2017. That’s four long years. In terms of start to finish, we assume that this album took much longer than any of ABBA’s previous projects. However, COVID happened during the four years and we don’t know exactly how often they recorded. If CMP isn’t party to this info, then I hope there is some record of it that will emerge eventually. I’d say it’s likely it wasn’t finished until earlier this year though (and as you say, Agnetha’s mask around her neck is a slight giveaway). Voulez-Vous was a slow project due to the number of discarded songs, the legacy of which we will see with Voyage, if two of them really do make it to the new album. I’m still a bit uneasy with that. I’ve never been a fan of Just A Notion and not sure why so many people seem to rave over it. If it wasn’t good enough in 1979, or 1980-82, then why is it suddenly worthy enough now, even if completely re-recorded?
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 15, 2021 11:22:39 GMT
Alan -- ABBA's 'Voyage' Album was not finished until a Week before they 'announced' it! Benny has said so, in a recent Interview. I just wish, that it was longer than the 37 Minutes, that is its 'rumoured' length. I'm not greatly keen on 'Just A Notion', as I feel that it is rather bland. However, we will see if ABBA have made it stronger, in their Re-Recording. It is 'Bumblebee', that I worry about! It seems, that it really is a Re-Recording of 'Free As A Bumblebee', and that 1978 Demo is so awful, that I struggle to see how ABBA may have made it any better! Why ABBA would wait 40 Years, and then put any weak Tracks, on a 'Come Back' Album, I just do not know. It is like shooting yourself in the foot. We will see if the 2 Songs have been improved.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 12:09:08 GMT
37 minutes?! although I absolutely love Don't Shut Me Down I wish it was longer - looks like I may feel that way with a few of the other songs then lol! Let's hope it's just a rumour!
Just a thought - Bumble Bee could be a reworking of Just Like That!!? it fits!
I guess they left it right to the last minute to choose which songs to leave off the album. Who knows, maybe they are planned for release near the start of the Arena concert? Maybe another song will be done and we could have an EP around that time with four new songs!! After all, there may already have been 4 singles taken from Voyage by then - ABBA never really released a high number of singles off the albums (even when they probably could have)!
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Post by justabba on Sept 15, 2021 12:12:09 GMT
37 minutes?! although I absolutely love Don't Shut Me Down I wish it was longer - looks like I may feel that way with a few of the other songs then lol! Let's hope it's just a rumour! Just a thought - Bumble Bee could be a reworking of Just Like That!!? it fits! I guess they left it right to the last minute to choose which songs to leave off the album. Who knows, maybe they are planned for release near the start of the Arena concert? Maybe another song will be done and we could have an EP around that time with four new songs!! After all, there may already have been 4 singles taken from Voyage by then - ABBA never really released a high number of singles off the albums (even when they probably could have)! I wouldn't be surprised if they held back a few new songs for 2022. Remember there were 5 singles off voulez vous!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 12:23:39 GMT
Onlyabbaformeagain
I don't understand why thosr two 1978 discarded songs are on the album.
It would make more sense to have included the 1982 songs.
Sounds like they were struggling to come up with enough songs for a whole album.
I hope there's not more just "making up the numbers"
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Post by skiing55 on Sept 16, 2021 16:26:20 GMT
Does anyone know who the bassist guitarist is on the 10 new ABBA songs
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Post by skiing55 on Sept 16, 2021 16:48:38 GMT
I don't get people who don't like just a notion to have a full version of just a notion by ABBA will be the best thing in years
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 16, 2021 17:36:24 GMT
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Post by madonnabba on Sept 29, 2021 16:21:40 GMT
I have asked myself the same question over Just a notion. Just seems strange it was left off three studio albums after 1978. Why did they not try to rework it sooner to appear on one of those albums? Or is there a clue in a report that Bjorn said the new songs would not be in another Mamma Mia film ? He is reported as saying the songs on the album could tell a story of their own. Maybe this song fits in with that story and they decided to revisit it. Quite like the demo. So look forward to hearing the polished version. Wonder why we've got to keep an eye on Dan ? What's he been up to?
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 29, 2021 20:47:29 GMT
This is from an ABBA Group on Face Book. It tells us more about 'Voyage'.
In a long interview in Swedish paper Expressen Bernard Löhr, who has been working with Abbas' music for 15 years, talks about the secret details behind the new plate.- They said it was nervous a couple of weeks before that Thursday, Benny and Björn were both nervous, he says.What can you tell us about the new album?- It is a fairly wide disc, it is quite a lot different but there is a bit of each. There are some ballads, some pop songs, but I do not want to say too much, they have to tell it themselves.He goes on to say that Abba has a kind of veto rule which means that if someone in the band does not like the song, it is deleted.- One of the songs has been remade several times. It is the final song on the album and is a kind of anthem. It is called "Ode to freedom". The name has been circulating on the internet, so I can confirm that.It is also known that it is a Christmas song on the record. In an interview with Radio Tyresö, Bernard Löhr said that it is called "Little things".- It is very simple, in terms of recording it did not take that long. There are only two voices, some keyboards and stuff. There are not even drums on that song.When "The winner takes it all" was released in 1980, it was speculated that the song was about the divorce between Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus, something that was later also confirmed.- Björn wrote it about us after our marriage fell apart. The fact that he wrote it just when we divorced is touching in fact, Agnetha Fältskog told Expressen in 2013.Will there be something similar on the new album?- There are such pieces in the whole thing, I think, absolutely. There are some sad songs, but many happy ones too, of course.The sad songs?- They perhaps reflect something, but still with some kind of positive turn at the end.There is still a lot of work for Bernard Löhr before he finishes his own contribution in "Abba Voyage", but even if the decision is not his, he is clear on one point:- It would be fun to do more.- It's fun that everyone thinks it's so fun. It is not something that has to be squeezed out, but it is sitting there in some way.
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 29, 2021 21:34:27 GMT
This is from an ABBA Group on Face Book. It tells us more about 'Voyage'. In a long interview in Swedish paper Expressen Bernard Löhr, who has been working with Abbas' music for 15 years, talks about the secret details behind the new plate.- They said it was nervous a couple of weeks before that Thursday, Benny and Björn were both nervous, he says.What can you tell us about the new album?- It is a fairly wide disc, it is quite a lot different but there is a bit of each. There are some ballads, some pop songs, but I do not want to say too much, they have to tell it themselves.He goes on to say that Abba has a kind of veto rule which means that if someone in the band does not like the song, it is deleted.- One of the songs has been remade several times. It is the final song on the album and is a kind of anthem. It is called "Ode to freedom". The name has been circulating on the internet, so I can confirm that.It is also known that it is a Christmas song on the record. In an interview with Radio Tyresö, Bernard Löhr said that it is called "Little things".- It is very simple, in terms of recording it did not take that long. There are only two voices, some keyboards and stuff. There are not even drums on that song.When "The winner takes it all" was released in 1980, it was speculated that the song was about the divorce between Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus, something that was later also confirmed.- Björn wrote it about us after our marriage fell apart. The fact that he wrote it just when we divorced is touching in fact, Agnetha Fältskog told Expressen in 2013.Will there be something similar on the new album?- There are such pieces in the whole thing, I think, absolutely. There are some sad songs, but many happy ones too, of course.The sad songs?- They perhaps reflect something, but still with some kind of positive turn at the end.There is still a lot of work for Bernard Löhr before he finishes his own contribution in "Abba Voyage", but even if the decision is not his, he is clear on one point:- It would be fun to do more.- It's fun that everyone thinks it's so fun. It is not something that has to be squeezed out, but it is sitting there in some way. Thanks - that's a v useful and encouraging post! Just to add (and I think this has been mentioned elsewhere) the timings for all the songs are now on the Voyage Wikipedia page. To wit: 1. "I Still Have Faith in You" 5:09 2. "When You Danced with Me" 2:50 3. "Little Things" 3:08 4. "Don't Shut Me Down" 3:56 5. "Just a Notion" 3:29 6. "I Can Be That Woman" 4:01 7. "Keep an Eye on Dan" 4:05 8. "Bumblebee" 3:57 9. "No Doubt About It" 2:56 10. "Ode to Freedom" 3:32 Total running time - 37:03
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 30, 2021 10:16:25 GMT
It would be fun to do more.- It's fun that everyone thinks it's so fun. It is not something that has to be squeezed out, but it is sitting there in some way.
That last sentence gives us all hope that there may be more to come !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 12:04:44 GMT
'Keep An Eye On Dan' sounds like a 'Comedy' ABBA Song - in the style of the Track on 'The Visitors' - 'Two For The Price Of One'. I hope that it is better, than the Title makes it sound! I hate it, when ABBA do 'Comedy' Songs. The 'Comedy' Track, on 'The Visitors', is one that I've never really liked. I prefer ABBA to do more serious Songs. Whether they be fast Songs, or slow Songs. I guess, that having a 'Comedy' Track, on 'Voyage', is better than ABBA doing a Rap, or Hip Hop Song! Totally agree! It does conjure up that image as a "comedy" song.
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2021 15:46:42 GMT
Obviously we know that the two singles were recorded in 2017. Bernard Löhr confirmed that “some others” were done in 2019 and the rest in 2021.
For a long time, the rumour was five songs, suggesting that three were done in 2019 and five this year. I wonder if we’ll ever get to find out which songs were done when?
Björn teased the media several times when the album question was put to him or suggested. If there were five completed by 2019, is it possible the media hype and a mighty big carrot dangled by Universal led to a full album? Once it started circulating that there might be a new album, an eventual announcement of five songs would have been disappointing. They had to surprise us in a good way.
From the record company’s point of view, an EP isn’t very commercial. They’d have to stump up the cost of producing and distributing vinyl and CDs exactly as they would for a full album, but sell them for less because there were only five tracks. The outlay would be the same but the returns less.
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