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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 16:49:03 GMT
Hi, I am being very conversive today. Here is another gem for you to consider. It does not seem likely now but if the record companies had compiled a Greatest Hits ( Volume 3 ) by ABBA in what order what you like the following songs included. Mine as follows,
Lay All Your Love On Me The Visitors ( Cracking Up ) Elaine Should I Laugh Or Cry The Day Before You Came Just Like That ( a new complete re-vamped version ) Cassandra The Winner Takes It All One Of Us Slipping Through My Fingers
When All Is Said And Done Happy New Year The Piper Soldiers I Am The City Head Over Heels Super Trouper Under Attack On And On And On
I have omitted " You Owe Me One " from this dream compilation as it is too weak. I have included " Happy New Year ", " Soldiers " as this was a B-side to " When All Is Said And Done " and a completed, re-vamped " Just Like That ".
What do you think ?
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Post by Alan on Jul 4, 2019 18:40:46 GMT
Er... problem here is that “Greatest Hits” generally means just that, it doesn’t mean b-sides, album tracks or unreleased songs. Assuming this would have been released in 1982 in place of The Singles - The First Ten Years, you’d have Voulez-Vous and I Have A Dream, neither of which were included in the second volume, plus about 10 tracks released as singles somewhere in the world between 1980 and 1982.
Also, don’t forget that in ABBA’s era, albums were designed for vinyl with a maximum playing time of about 50 minutes (hence ABBA’s two Greatest Hits having only 14 or 15 tracks, though Vol 2, at 58 minutes, really pushed it to the limit and sound quality on vinyl would have been affected).
ABBA did cheat a bit by including songs only released in one or two territories (such as Nina, Pretty Ballerina) or in other cases no where at all (I Wonder) but they never resorted to b-sides. I’d also limit each album’s representation to a maximum of four tracks (though Ring Ring, ABBA and The Album were all over-represented on the first two at five tracks each, with ABBA eventually scraping the barrel by reaching six with one on Volume 2).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 21:28:36 GMT
If we finally get some New ABBA Songs, I'd imagine that Universal would want to add them to a New ABBA Compilation. Otherwise they'd be the only ABBA Singles to be 100% 'Orphan' Tracks. Remember, 'Put On Your White Sombrero' and 'Dream World' were added to 'Deluxe' Editions of 'Super Trouper' and 'Voulez-Vous'. We never got the other 'unreleased' Songs in full, so the fact that 'Just A Notion' was not added to any ABBA Album's does not count. (We only got part of it).
Whether we get 2 New Songs or 3, or even 4, I cannot see Universal letting the chance go by to add them to an ABBA Compilation. It would look rather odd, if they just left them to sink or swim as Singles. Especially when they may only be minor Hits due to a lack of Streaming.
Bruce Springsteen has just had his 11th UK No.1 Album. Madonna has just had a No.2 UK Album. Kylie Minogue will have her 7th UK No.1 Album, tomorrow. But, none of them can have Top 10 Singles anymore. Or even Top 30 Singles. The 'Novelty' of having ABBA's first New Singles in Decades, may see them reach the Top 10. Or they may all struggle, and that will look very odd indeed, to the Media, who know little about how 'Old' Acts cannot match the Streaming Totals of 'Modern' Acts. I haven't a clue how ABBA's Singles will do. The hype and publicity may see them do very well.
Of course, there would be no need for Universal to put ABBA's New Songs on a Compilation Album, if ABBA themselves are secretly doing a New Album, and - of course - including them on it...We shall see...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 7:12:02 GMT
Hi Alan, I agree with you about the vinyl format of a Greatest Hits ( Vol 3 ) compilation and the quality of sound etc. However, I have researched and the Greatest Hits ( Vol 2 ) compilation does include a couple of B-sides in the form of " I Wonder " and " Rock Me " ( a complete waste of a song and its subsequent inclusion baffles me ). " I Have A Dream " should have replaced " I Wonder ". Because of the inclusion of " Angeleyes " ( the double A side partner to " Voulez-Vous " ) was the reason why the latter song was omitted. I disagree with you about the B-sides. Also, " Eagle " and " Thank You For The Music " were released as singles in some countries so appear on the compilation. Epic Records very badly handled ABBA compilations. Greatest Hits ( Vol 2 ) could have been a much better compilation. The wrong choices for single release also, baffled me. For instance " Head Over Heels " ( much as a love the tongue-in-cheek frivolity of it ) should have been replaced with " When All Is Said And Done " ( a strong contender for potential hit material ). One of the major blunders by Epic Records is why they failed to award a gold or silver disc for " The Winner Takes It All " ( one of ABBA's finest moments ). This deeply saddens me. " The Day Before You Came " also, suffered and failed to make an impact. Lastly, regarding my so-called compilation tracklisting for Greatest Hits ( Vol 3 ) I was solely thinking of a compact disc format and not an LP.
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Post by gazman on Jul 5, 2019 8:15:22 GMT
I suppose it's logical that ABBA might have considered a 'Greatest Hits Volume 3' at the end of 1982, in preference to a recap of all the singles, which might then have come a couple of years later perhaps.
For 14 tracks, I would have thought these were the best - in no particular order....
The Winner Takes It All I Have A Dream Super Trouper Voulez-Vous On And On And On Happy New Year Lay All Your Love On Me One Of Us When All Is Said And Done The Visitors Head Over Heels Slipping Through My Fingers The Day Before You Came Under Attack
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Post by richard on Jul 5, 2019 10:43:15 GMT
As an alternative to a hits compilation, what about an album comprising a selection from the albums to introduce people, who are only familiar with Gold, to their other music? 'ABBA GOLD ALBUM TRACKS', anyone? It would be along the lines of gazman's post, above, but without any of the really big hit singles and more unfamiliar tracks for the ABBA newbie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 11:49:55 GMT
Without sounding pretentious but I think my ultimate tracklisting of a Greatest Hits ( Vol 3 ) would have been an outstanding CD compilation for many fans. I am quite surprised that people are not forming an orderly queue to submit their preferred track list. The only downside is my omission of " Slipping Through My Fingers " therefore I will amend my list. Actually, I am deeply hurt by Alan's remarks about my Greatest Hits ( Vol 3 ). I was trying to cheer myself because I suffer from anxiety and depression and the last thing I want is negative feedback. I was really hoping for a few friendly remarks and support and also, the chance to share my passion with others regarding my admiration for ABBA. Sadly this is not the case. So, I am withdrawing from the forum.
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Post by josef on Jul 5, 2019 21:54:55 GMT
^It's a shame if you leave but that's up to you.
People here are friendly. But we all have differing views and opinions and it's best not to take things too personally. Don't you think you may be a tad oversensitive in this instance? I can see no evidence of anyone being negative, just pointing out facts. It really is best to just accept different feedback. For instance, recently someone (I forget who) pointed out that it is Björn and not Benny I can hear in The Visitors. I was simply glad of the correction. I always like to learn new things. I stand my ground and have my own opinions but I think it's best to take things with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Alan on Jul 5, 2019 23:11:15 GMT
Hi Alan, I agree with you about the vinyl format of a Greatest Hits ( Vol 3 ) compilation and the quality of sound etc. However, I have researched and the Greatest Hits ( Vol 2 ) compilation does include a couple of B-sides in the form of " I Wonder " and " Rock Me " ( a complete waste of a song and its subsequent inclusion baffles me ). " I Have A Dream " should have replaced " I Wonder ". Because of the inclusion of " Angeleyes " ( the double A side partner to " Voulez-Vous " ) was the reason why the latter song was omitted. I disagree with you about the B-sides. Also, " Eagle " and " Thank You For The Music " were released as singles in some countries so appear on the compilation. Epic Records very badly handled ABBA compilations. Greatest Hits ( Vol 2 ) could have been a much better compilation. The wrong choices for single release also, baffled me. For instance " Head Over Heels " ( much as a love the tongue-in-cheek frivolity of it ) should have been replaced with " When All Is Said And Done " ( a strong contender for potential hit material ). One of the major blunders by Epic Records is why they failed to award a gold or silver disc for " The Winner Takes It All " ( one of ABBA's finest moments ). This deeply saddens me. " The Day Before You Came " also, suffered and failed to make an impact. Lastly, regarding my so-called compilation tracklisting for Greatest Hits ( Vol 3 ) I was solely thinking of a compact disc format and not an LP.
I’m sorry if my post upset you, that wasn’t intended. Just that you can’t call an album “Greatest Hits Vol 3” if you’re including b-sides. ”Rock Me” was indeed the b-side of I Do, I Do, I Do, but the single had been so successful in Australia that once the A-side started to fall down the chart, they flipped it over and promoted “Rock Me” as a single, and it apparently went back up the chart. That is the reason for its inclusion on Vol 2, but I agree it’s a very dubious one. “I Wonder” was indeed a b-side, but only as a live version. The studio-recorded album version wasn’t. I agree it’s an odd inclusion though as it apparently wasn’t released as an A-side anywhere. Neither Rock Me nor I Wonder were true b-sides anyway. They were album tracks used as b-sides in the absence of anything else. Both Greatest Hits were international, with tracklistings done by Polar, so nothing to do with CBS-Epic in the UK. Angeleyes was included, however, because of its success in the UK (Voulez-Vous was mostly less successful elsewhere). I Have A Dream was released as a single after Vol 2. I’ve often speculated it wasn’t intended to be a single but was done so as a cash-in on the tour, Christmas and the Year of the Child. If Vol 3 was released in 1982 in place of The Singles (there wouldn’t have been much point in releasing both) then the CD didn’t yet exist as a commercial format, so there was just vinyl and cassettes then. Gazman’s tracklisting is similar to the one I would consider. A couple of barrel-scraping inclusions there but this is in-keeping with the first and second volumes.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 5, 2019 23:47:28 GMT
Rock Me was the most bizarre inclusion on GHV2.
I would have preferred a GHV3 to The Singles. But would they have gone with so many new tracks?
Voulez-Vous I Have A Dream The Winner Takes It All Super Trouper On And On And On Lay All Your Love On Me One Of Us When All Is Said And Done Head Over Heels The Visitors The Day Before You Came Under Attack
Those are the known US/European/Australian A-sides. Might Cassandra and Happy New Year have made the cut? Would the longer version of On And On have been an interesting inclusion? The short US edit of The Visitors? Would Two For The Price Of One have been included as the token Bjorn vocal? That would have taken the tally to 15. But with three tracks clocking in at over 5 minutes (TDBYC almost 6 minutes), could vinyl have handled it well? If the full length version of each of the 15 tracks was used, the running time would have been 68 minutes.
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Post by gary on Jul 6, 2019 7:26:48 GMT
I remember making up a ‘Greatest Hits Volume 3’ tape years ago. I think it was exactly the same as gazman’s list, but maybe without STMF. They all seem like justifiable choices.
Edmfio76, don’t leave the forum. No-one has said anything offensive, they are just expressing their opinions, which are just as valid as yours. Everyone here is friendly!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 10:10:12 GMT
Hi, It is comforting that people are supportive. My anxiety often gets the better of me so hence my sensitivity to other members' ideas, opinions and tastes in respect of ABBA's music is often on over-drive mode. Thank you for friendly advice. It has cheered me up.
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Post by gary on Jul 6, 2019 10:19:45 GMT
Good! I know from personal experience how debilitating anxiety can be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 11:25:37 GMT
Hi Gary, Thank you for kind wishes. I'm Edmund and 58 years old. Since I took voluntary redundancy from the civil service nearly ten years ago now, I developed anxiety and depression because the job was part and parcel of my life for so long. I have good days and bad days. I have had a recurring history of depression as well. It is hard to stay positive and that is why I am sensitive to criticism in a big way. I was on the point of leaving the forum especially after I read Orf's comments regarding " The Winner Takes It All " yesterday and was very distressed when he/she slated my ultimate ABBA favourite. But each to one's own, I'm a fine one to talk since I cannot stand " Super Trouper ", " Does Your Mother Know " or " Money Money Money ". I just have to learn to accept that every fan will dislike a couple of ABBA's big hits. It would be dull if us fans liked all the same songs.
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Post by Zeebee on Jul 6, 2019 19:21:20 GMT
Er... problem here is that “Greatest Hits” generally means just that, it doesn’t mean b-sides, album tracks or unreleased songs.(...) ABBA did cheat a bit by including songs only released in one or two territories (such as Nina, Pretty Ballerina) (...) Indeed, some of the songs on ABBA's first Greatest Hits album were not hits. When I bought that album in 1981, there were only three songs on the album that I had ever heard before: Waterloo, SOS, and Fernando (Mamma Mia, I Do x5, and Honey, Honey were also among their 14 Top 40 hits here in the USA, but I had never heard them).
Edmund, I hope you don't leave the forum. Please remember that when someone expresses an opinion that is different from yours, they are not criticizing you. Btw, I believe I, too, suffer from anxiety. I am 57 years old, and I believe I have had anxiety since I was a child, when a teacher made fun of me in front of the class.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 20:16:56 GMT
Hi, Thank you for your kind wishes. I am Edmund and I am 58. Also, I was an exremely anxious child that I can remember. Because of the anxiety and depression I am extremely sensitive to criticism but have to learn that everyone has different tastes. I am sorry to hear that you suffer from anxiety. I won't be leaving the forum. Edmund.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 14, 2022 13:29:02 GMT
I have been thinking of a tracklist for a Greatest Hits Volume 3 and this is what I think it would be
Let me know what you think
Disc 1
1. Voulez Vous 2. I Have A Dream 3. Happy New Year 4. Super Trouper 5. The Winner Takes It All 6. Lay All Your Love On Me 7. On And On And On (Full Version) 8. When All Is Said And Done 9. Slipping Through My Fingers 10. Head Over Heels 11. One of Us 12. The Visitors
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1. I Am The City 2. You Owe Me One 3. Cassandra 4. Under Attack 5. The Day Before You Came 6. I Still Have Faith In You 7. Don't Shut Me Down 8. Just A Notion 9. When You Danced With Me 10. Keep An Eye On Dan 11. I Can Be That Woman 12. No Doubt About It
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 14:06:13 GMT
If there was Greatest Hits 3 album, say as part of a Platinum Collection, I think it should be just 1 disc like the other Hits albums.
1. Voulez Vous 2. I Have a Dream 3. The Winner Takes it All 4. Super Trouper 5 Lay All Your Love On Me 6. On and On and On 7. The Visitors 8. One of Us 9. When All is Said and Done 10. Head Over Heels 11. The Day Before You Came 12. Under Attack 13. I Still Have Faith in You 14. Don't Shut Me Down 15. Just a Notion 16. Just Like That
The first two tracks not on Greatest Hits Volume 2.
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Post by gamleman on May 14, 2022 14:21:31 GMT
If a Greatest Hits Vol 3 had existed, I think it would have been one disc (LP) primarily covering the ST and TV albums, plus left-over singles from the VV album and the bonus singles that appeared on The Singles. I know that the above track listings take the repertoire up to Voyage but I wouldn't see the point of a Vol 3 now. In my opinion, YOMO and IATC would be out of place on such a compilation and, as a B-side, Cassandra probably wouldn't warrant a place either. Johnny's list is in my mind the most appropriate, although the track listing wouldn't be chronological for a Greatest Hits. Any future compilation will surely span their whole career.
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Post by Alan on May 14, 2022 14:41:04 GMT
johnny’s tracklisting is the logical one. Those are generally accepted as singles. Obviously Just Like That is complete fantasy but the exclusion of Little Things is more than welcome. Sorry Adam, but that’s not a realistic tracklisting. Seven tracks from Voyage? Only three of those were singles. And I Am The City, You Owe Me One and Cassandra have no place on a Greatest Hits. Slipping Through My Fingers was only a single in Japan, and only then as a tacky Coca-Cola promotion. Generally not accepted as a main international single, thankfully. It should just be a single disc affair (though 15 or 16 tracks these days would have to be two vinyl records). Sadly I think the original Greatest Hits albums are dead and buried. The first one was reissued for its 30th anniversary in 2006, but the second one is long deleted (though the CD of it does contain some of the best-sounding versions of tracks from The Album). Both albums were issued in ABBA’s active lifetime and the first one was one of the best-selling albums in the UK in the 1970s. In that respect it’s sad it’s been abandoned, but the flawed tracklisting means it just wouldn’t fit in ABBA’s current catalogue. Even Vol 2 has the two misfits of Rock Me and I Wonder. Still, as they’re historical they can’t be changed.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 14, 2022 15:57:48 GMT
I like that people are at least thinking about how a compilation might be approached. I know that, in the age of streaming, compilations are a bit passé, but they're still being released. I saw a huge window display for Franz Ferdinand's one recently. ABBA might be one of those acts whose fanbase is sufficiently wedded to physical formats to pick up a compilation on CD, vinyl - even cassette! Obviously a GHV3 would have some stiff competition in Gold. Could the Voyage singles replace some of the album tracks/B-sides on More Gold so that the whole shebang could be marketed as Gold II or somesuch?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 16:31:03 GMT
Alan, physical Greatest Hits may be dead and buried for most artists but bear in mind...
1. Artists like ABBA still sell physical albums. A new compilation would have to feature Voyage tracks to sell though. 2. Some compilations eg Fleeetwood Mac's 50 Years compilation sell very little but are streamed a lot - especially half a dozen tracks. Ditto with Elton John's Diamonds compilation. Don't exclude digital versions.
I have put up a post on the general Voyage post about compilation options for the 2 main Voyage singles.
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Post by Alan on May 14, 2022 17:09:45 GMT
johnny, I was referring specifically to the two original Greatest Hits albums released in the 1970s as being dead and buried (due to Gold and More Gold mainly, but also various others over the years). The Singles is another one, though The Definitive/Essential Collection was effectively an expanded version of it.
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Post by Michal on May 15, 2022 8:40:10 GMT
I think some new compilation is inevitably going to happen but unlikely in the shape of Greatest Hits Vol.3 However, just hypotetically, johnny's tracklisting would make sense (with the exception of Just Like That unfortunately).
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 15, 2022 16:43:44 GMT
A new revamped track list
1. Voulez Vous 2. I Have A Dream 3. Happy New Year 4. Super Trouper 5. The Winner Takes It All 6. Lay All Your Love On Me 7. When All Is Said And Done 8. Head Over Heels 9. One of Us 10. The Visitors 11. Under Attack 12. The Day Before You Came 13. I Am The City 14. I Still Have Faith In You 15. Don't Shut Me Down 16. Just A Notion
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Post by Alan on May 15, 2022 22:29:17 GMT
Thinking about this again (as though I’ve nothing better to do), The Platinum Collection could work as long as the existing Greatest Hits albums are trimmed down. These days, albums are made for vinyl (even though a relatively small percentage actually use that format). Albums are shorter so that sound quality is not compromised. CDs are now secondary and much shorter than they used to be as they merely copy vinyl lengths.
Also, as the first two Greatest Hits do contain some duds, it’s an opportunity to remove these. I don’t like tampering with historic albums but to make these justifiable both to vinyl sides and a modern audience, it’s necessary.
Greatest Hits: Remove Nina Pretty Ballerina, Another Town Another Train and Dance (While The Music Still Goes On). It does still leave Hasta Mañana and Bang-A-Boomerang that shouldn’t really be on there, but can’t have everything. Sides still start with SOS and I Do I Do I Do, and album ends with Fernando (as per UK and US editions of original album).
Greatest Hits Vol 2: Remove Rock Me and I Wonder. Replace the album version of Eagle with the original 1978 single edit (not the error version). Sides still start with Gimme Gimme Gimme and Dancing Queen.
Greatest Hits Vol 3 (not in this order): Voulez-Vous, I Have A Dream, The Winner Takes It All, Super Trouper, Lay All Your Love On Me, One of Us, Head Over Heels, When All Is Said and Done, The Day Before You Came, Under Attack, I Still Have Faith In You, Don’t Shut Me Down.
On and On and On is a casualty of this Volume 3 (a top 10 hit in Australia) but The Visitors was not a big hit anywhere (No. 63 in the US) and is an easy exclusion.
Each album is therefore 12 tracks, six tracks to a vinyl side, and hopefully not too long to include on one vinyl record. Each album has a single sleeve using artwork adapted from the original Greatest Hits, Greatest Hits Vol 2 and The Singles. Not sold separately, there is a slipcase to house all three, and similar with the CD edition.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 16, 2022 7:50:59 GMT
Do you mean that you'd see a Platinum Collection as a 3-LP set Alan ? If Voulez-Vous and I Have A Dream replaced Rock Me and I Wonder on GHV2, that might leave room for On And On And On and The Visitors on Vol. 3. The Gold edit of VV could help address the running time issue (I haven't totted up what the overall running time might be). I don't know if you've noticed the Gold series compilations that Demon Records/Crimson have issued over the past couple of years. They're quite nicely done. They're usually 3-CD sets, gathering singles. Sometimes remixes and/or album tracks are used to pad out the tracklist. They're released on vinyl too - but the tracklist is condensed to fit on one disc. I know that this approach won't appeal to everyone, but it's a compromise when a triple vinyl album might cost, what, £50-£60? Even so, I really like your idea of housing the three LPs/CDs in a slipcase. Here's a sample release by Kiki Dee from that series CD www.discogs.com/release/13692064-Kiki-Dee-GoldVinyl www.discogs.com/release/13676736-Kiki-Dee-GoldI wondering how 36 tracks over 3 CDs might be received - that's more like the quota for a double CD. Maybe the tracks dumped from GH and GHV2 could be restored for the CD/digital editions?? But even without those, if the packaging was glamorous enough (ideally they'd take some tips from Pet Shop Boys who really know how to design and package a record), with a really good booklet, I think it could be a very attractive collection. (Coloured links take you to two separate samples of their glorious design practices).
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Post by foreverfan on May 16, 2022 9:05:00 GMT
Greatest Hits Vol 3 is definitely the wrong title, for let’s be honest another compilation. I’m surprised that More Gold has never really been promoted to its full potential, perhaps that’s the place to add those tracks from Voyage?
At the moment, personally I can’t see any compilation that would entice me to buy, and if that’s from a die hard fan, I can’t see the public jumping on board, alas Gold is going to be the definitive collection that will keep on selling/ streaming for years to come. I don’t mind a few tweaks like adding DSMD and ISHFIY, but to what classic detriment, whether you love or not, I’d get rid of TYFTM for instance, not a big hit, but it’s a perennial favourite with the public
I genuinely believe overtime we will get various compilations in the future, few if none will actually tempt me. So have fun speculating and hey who am I...
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Post by gamleman on May 16, 2022 17:22:12 GMT
Alan, you fair demolished the Greatest Hits album I wouldn't describe Hasta Manana, Dance and Bang-A-Boomerang as duds to be removed. These tracks have really been overlooked on more recent compilations and I think this would be an opportunity to expose them to a modern audience. In my view, Hasta Manana is timeless masterpiece. I doubt that you would manage to prise I Wonder out of B&B's hands and off the Greatest Hits Vol 2 album Rather than making a collection out of the Greatest Hits albums, this seems to be more a case of repackaging Gold and parts of More Gold into Platinum. I don't see any point in that. It is of no interest to hardcore fans and doesn't expose the more casual and recent fans to anything 'new-to-them' from the ABBA archives.
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Post by Michal on May 16, 2022 17:33:48 GMT
Alan, why would you remove tracks from either of the two original Greatest Hits albums? Both were released on vinyl with the full original tracklist.
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