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Post by johnny on Nov 4, 2024 23:06:25 GMT
JustAbba - of course. D'oh! That's why it's called update chart. Otherwise to charts covering different 7 day periods. I had a brain malfunction...lol
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Nov 4, 2024 23:33:01 GMT
A friend of mine emailed Miles Showell who is listed as having mastered the recent compilation. He sent a lovely reply back, confirming he did indeed remaster this set and explained in what form the songs were sent to him etc. Perhaps it’s worth getting for the sound after all! Interesting. Could you maybe clarify on the forms? |
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Post by gary on Nov 5, 2024 8:06:03 GMT
If you haven’t already got the Bob Marley album, try it. It’s one of the few compilations I really like.
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Post by justabba on Nov 5, 2024 8:18:21 GMT
ok guys here is the full email from Miles regarding his mastering of the new compilation....  |
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Post by Alan on Nov 5, 2024 12:17:02 GMT
Interesting, thanks justabba. No surprise he didn’t get the actual master tapes but in this day and age I don’t think it’s necessary. Also interesting that there’s no difference between “mastering” and “remastering”. It sounds like he knows what he’s talking about. I’m not sure what the current masters are for the ABBA catalogue. Weren’t they mastered for iTunes a few years ago? I wonder what the audiophiles think of it. There’s one in particular from Australia that was on previous forums. I trusted his judgement. |
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Post by johnny on Nov 5, 2024 12:45:21 GMT
So re-mastering a bit of a con, then?
Clearly the engineering not as good pre-1975. And can we assume both with The Visitors and Voyage albums? The latter seems obvious.
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Post by Alan on Nov 5, 2024 12:49:47 GMT
Oh… I contacted that audiophile from Australia that I mentioned, and he’s said this:
To me some tracks sounded badly compressed
I’m still going through it
The limiting was a bit hard too
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Nov 5, 2024 13:05:21 GMT
Thanks justabba! Sounds all very reasonable to me. Alan, I think I know who you mean. He's very good. I don't necessarily agree with him on all details (after a certain level of common sense audiophilism becomes a matter of personal taste), but generally, I do. |
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Post by johnny on Nov 5, 2024 13:10:52 GMT
If some tracks sounding "compressed" is that both for vinyl and CD?
On Vinyl isn't the optimum amount of time 20 to 22 minutes and it's longer on most/all sides.
I am glad I am not an audiophile. I can just sit back and enjoy the music and not be bigger down on technical details.
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Post by richard on Nov 5, 2024 13:36:54 GMT
[...] I am glad I am not an audiophile. I can just sit back and enjoy the music and not be bigger down on technical details. I'm not usually too bothered about about audio quality, either. I'm also into classical music and some of the greatest recorded performances were done before the possibilities of pristine recordings. Yes, ultimately, it's the music and musicianship that matters most. |
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Post by Alan on Nov 5, 2024 16:48:37 GMT
If some tracks sounding "compressed" is that both for vinyl and CD? Yes, as it’s the way it’s been mastered, not the format it’s being played on. So re-mastering a bit of a con, then? And can we assume both with The Visitors and Voyage albums? The latter seems obvious. I think so as they were both recorded digitally. However, I’m not sure The Visitors is entirely digitally recorded. Didn’t they get the digital equipment partway through the making of the album? And it was one of the first such albums wasn’t it? Most acts were still using analogue. |
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Post by johnny on Nov 5, 2024 18:51:51 GMT
UPDATED Chart positions Week 1
#5 Germany
#8 Belgium/Flanders
#10 Switzerland
#12 Austria
#12 The Netherlands
#17 Ireland
#17 UK
#28 Belgium/Walloon
#35 France
#42 Austrslia
FAILED to chart: New Zealand, Norway, Finland and SWEDEN, USA or Canada. (GOLD is in both Americsn and Canadian charts)
Denmark yet to issue chart.
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Post by Alan on Nov 5, 2024 22:52:35 GMT
This has been posted by someone in a FB group… is this completely duff info or have they got insider info? They only publish one chart update a week don’t they? And in that it’s definitely The Singles 50 at number 18.  |
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Post by johnny on Nov 5, 2024 23:39:14 GMT
It's possible. There is only one official Midweek chart published on the OCC site. But sometimes Mudic Week gives further updates, but may not full chart. I remember this when Voyage came out. We got a few updates.
There could be inside info too.
Don't forget the #18 midweek position for The Singles was based mainly on Streaming.
Actusl sales would be low - especially in second week.
So yes, possible. But we don't know yet. I would expect sales to slump in the second week. It's interesting that it's a very similar chart position. If true would suggest a actual sales between The Singles and GOLD, very close. The former initially ahead but then the latter over-taking as The Singles slides more.
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Post by justabba on Nov 6, 2024 7:01:05 GMT
There has only been one midweek this week so far. Singles was at no. 18 Most weeks there is a wednesday update and that being the case I will update on this situation.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 6, 2024 8:29:25 GMT
There are 2, (Published), UK Mid Week Charts, each Week. A full, Top 100 Singles
and Albums Up-Date, on a Monday, at 5.45 pm. Plus, an Up-Date, based on the
Singles and Albums Top 40, only, on a Wednesday Evening. However, the ones
on a Wednesday, do not always appear.
I've no idea, where the 'Information' is from, that claims 'ABBA Gold' is back in,
at No.17. It is either, 'Inside Information', or it is made up. If it is true, then it
means that 'The Singles', has fallen off the UK Top 100, after just 1 Week. Both
Albums cannot Chart, at the same time, as they would each rely on the 18 'Gold'
Tracks, (Streams), to do so. They can't both have the Streams, from the same 18
ABBA Songs...
All I know, is that 'The Singles was at No.18, in the Monday Mid Weeks, for
Sales, from Friday to Sunday. If 'Gold' really is at No.17, in the Wednesday
Mid Week's, then Universal would have had to tell the Charts Company, to
remove the Streams, of the 18 'Gold' Tracks, from 'The Singles', and to give
them back to 'Gold'. This would have been done for Tuesday's UK Sales...
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 6, 2024 8:50:09 GMT
I wonder when Universal will pull the lever and return the streaming to Gold, so as to preserve its UK chart legacy? Will they continue the current arrangement in an effort until they've shifted more of the expensive physical units? The LP set is too expensive for consideration as a stocking filler, but maybe the CD will sell that way?
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Post by johnny on Nov 6, 2024 9:54:39 GMT
OnlyAbba4meagain, is it possible that Universal have not intervened and from Friday to Sunday, The Singles sold more than GOLD - but including Monday's sales Gold has more sales...
As you say, the #17 claim could be just made up!
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 6, 2024 18:16:56 GMT
Johnny -- Universal have not 'intervened' in the matter, of 'Gold' getting its
18 Tracks Streams back, from 'The Singles'. I say why, below...
The UK's Wednesday Mid Week Charts are now out. They show New Entries,
Climbers, and Non Movers, in the Top 40, of the Singles, and Albums Charts.
For Sales, from Friday to Tuesday. (Inclusive).
'ABBA Gold' is not shown. If it really had Re-Entered, at No.17, it would be
Listed. Nor is 'The Singles' Listed, so that has definitely fallen, from its No.17
Position, of last Friday. It is either at No.18 - or at a lower Position, than that.
The Person, who listed 'ABBA Gold', as a Re-Entry, at No.17 - with Sales - either
made it up, or copied it off someone else, who made it up. It is just not true...
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Post by justabba on Nov 6, 2024 18:31:31 GMT
Thanks Colin. I had a look too. I think it's either 18,19 or 20. 21 was Coldplay...
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Post by johnny on Nov 6, 2024 19:20:15 GMT
The Singles plummets from 5 to 53 in German midweek charts
The high position last week due to be value based chart.
The low position this week is that Streaming isn't used for Greatest Hits albums. Studio Albums, yes. Not GHs.
Failed to reach Danish chart - so total flops in all the Scandinavian countries.
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Post by johnny on Nov 8, 2024 16:54:50 GMT
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Post by foreverfan on Nov 8, 2024 16:57:31 GMT
Beat me to it..lol
Good news , it's all over for "50" I'm guessing it's out of the top 100 after 1 week...
Oh dear not good for the marketing team and Universal s it.....
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Post by justabba on Nov 8, 2024 17:01:12 GMT
You both beat me lol . There must be a mountain of unsold copies lying somewhere. Universal have delivered a dud this time.
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Post by johnny on Nov 8, 2024 17:03:00 GMT
OnlyAbba4meagain, is it possible that Universal have not intervened and from Friday to Sunday, The Singles sold more than GOLD - but including Monday's sales Gold has more sales... As you say, the #17 claim could be just made up! Looks right I was. The Singles initially outsold Gold but then GOLD outsold The Singles - so getting those streams. Re-enters Irish chart at #22 The Singles drops to 67 in Germany. Drops out of Dutch Top 100 and out of Swedish Physical Top 20. Huge ABBA flop... Neither The Singles or GOLD in UK Sales or Physical Top 100 charts. GOLD though #17 in Streaming chart. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 8, 2024 18:13:58 GMT
So, what happened was that between Friday and Sunday 'The Singles' outsold 'ABBA Gold' in the UK.
But, between Monday and Thursday, 'ABBA Gold' outsold 'The Singles', which meant that the 'New'
Compilation fell off the Top 100, and the 'Old' one returned. The 18 'Gold' Songs on 'The Singles'
had their Streams given back to 'ABBA Gold'. Which is now on its 1174th UK Top 100 Week...
'The Singles' had just 1 Top 100 Chart Week - at No.17. Only the 2nd ABBA Album, to only spend
1 Week in the UK Top 100. The other being, the No.30 Peaking 'Live At Wembley' Album, in 2014.
'The Singles' dropped off the UK Top 100, from No.17 - Exactly the same as in the Irish Top 100.
'Gold' replaces it there, with a No.22 Re-Entry - in its 824th Irish Chart Week...
It will be many Years before Universal Release another ABBA Compilation. Perhaps never again.
Really, they struggle to Market them - because Bjorn and Benny, won't allow a Note of 'New'
Music on them. So, all they can Market/Sell, is a 'Pretty' Cover, and 'Nice' Photos inside. Hardly
a huge attraction, for most ABBA Fans. Nor are the 'New' Sleeve Notes, very exciting. There are
only so many ways a Writer can tell us how 'Good' an ABBA Hit is, or how successful it was...
It is as if 'The Singles' Compilation never existed. It has disappeared so fast...
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Post by johnny on Nov 8, 2024 18:19:49 GMT
Oh, I forgot Colin doesn't read other people's posts...
The Singles was released a week too early for a Top 10 place. A lot of new entries last week and The Singles only managed #17 despite 6000 "sales". This week the #9 album has sales of just under 6000.
GOLD "sold" 4,206 this week. Real sales probably around 300. 325 last week.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 8, 2024 18:44:51 GMT
You both beat me lol . There must be a mountain of unsold copies lying somewhere. Universal have delivered a dud this time. I wonder if there'll be some price drops after the Christmas period has passed...? The swap around of the two albums in the charts just shrieks "rigging!" I also wonder if the vinyl edition of Little Things will mark its return to the singles chart - even if it's just the vinyl/physical chart. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 8, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
HOMETIME -- The Vinyl 'Little Things' release, should see it Enter the UK
Vinyl Singles Chart. As well as, (probably). 'Happy New Year'. A Single
does not have to sell many, to Enter that Chart. Just a few 100, can do
it. Sometimes just 800, or 900 Sales, can see a Vinyl Single reach No.1,
in that Chart...
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Post by foreverfan on Nov 8, 2024 18:53:58 GMT
Your right Tony ^^
Alas all rigged and manipulated.....
Gold " sold " 4206 to make 19 in U.K. Charts... in reality around 300 copies I expect.... shows how little " 50" actually sold !!!
LT and HNY will chart, possibly even number one for both ,( different weeks ) top 10 at the least... both on extremely low sales.. so what does it mean... not a lot really and I'm a chart fan....
Who am I, to know , but it looks like Gold will be around for years on the UK charts, if it's calculated in its current form...
The only thing I like about it is that it's/they are still in public view.... so unless " they" release anything new... that's it folks......
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