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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 19:09:56 GMT
Every Friday The B.P.I., (British Phonographic Industry), gives out UK Music Sales Awards.
A)... Last Friday - 7th December - it gave a Silver Award to 'Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)'.
That was for 200,000+ UK Download Sales, since they began adding Downloads to the UK Charts - November 2004.
Really, a Single - or Album - is only supposed to get a Sales Award, if it was never given one in past Decades. As
'Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!' was given a Silver Award in 1979, it was not entitled to one for Downloads! (In 1979
a Silver Single had to sell 250,000+). So how has it managed to get a 2nd Silver Disk now? Answer - The B.P.I.
Computer gives the 1979 Vinyl version a slightly different Title. The 1979 Hit is being called 'Gimme Gimme Gimme'.
The 2004 to 2018 Download is being called 'Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight). The B.P.I Computer
thinks that they are 2 different ABBA Singles!
Will The B.P.I. take back the 2nd Silver Disk, if they realise? No! Once they give a Sales Award they never take it back.
'Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!' was the UK's 28th Best Selling Single for 1979. With its current 200,000 Download Sales added
in, it would have been about 19th for the Year - 3 places lower than 'Chiquitita'.
B)... Today - Friday 14th December - The B.P.I. has given 'Waterloo' a Silver Disk, for 200,000+ UK Download Sales since
November 2004.
'Waterloo' has been allowed to have that Silver Award because it never got a Silver Award for its 1974 Sales. It should have
been given one in 1974. It was even announced in 'Music Week', that it was getting it. But the Award was never given. The
B.P.I. forgot to give it one. The only 'Waterloo', that got a UK Silver Award in 1974, was the 'Waterloo' Album. That was for
60,000+ UK Sales. At the time a Silver Single had to reach 250,000 and a Silver Album had to reach 60,000.
'Waterloo' was the UK's 16th Best Selling Single of 1974. With its current 200,000+ Download Sales added in, it would have
been the 5th Best Seller for that Year...
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Post by gary on Dec 14, 2018 20:01:27 GMT
The lack of logic at the BPI knows no bounds!
Colin - For years, The Winner Takes It All didn’t have any sales awards at all, even though it should have had a silver disc and a gold disc. Did it ever get any sales awards?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 21:24:09 GMT
Gary -- 'The Winner Takes It All' finally got a UK Sales Award on Friday 13th April - this Year. It was nothing to do
with its 1980 UK Sales. It was purely for 200,000+ Downloads since Sunday 14th November 2004. That is when
The OCC began to count UK Downloads towards the Chart. So, it got a UK Silver Award on that Date. That is on
top of 545,000 to 565,000 UK Sales in 1980. It never got its Silver, (250,000+), and Gold, (500,000+), Awards
in 1980. That is why The B.P.I. has allowed it to go Silver with its 200,000+ Download Sales. (Just as Silver is
200,000+ now, Gold has also been made easir to get - 400,000+. Platinum used to be 1,000,000, (for a UK
Single), and now it is 600,000).
'Dancing Queen' has also sold over 200,000+ UK Downloads, since 14th November 2004. However, it cannot have
a Silver Disk, for them. It already has Silver & Gold UK Sales Awards from 1976...
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Post by foreverfan on Jun 4, 2019 8:43:56 GMT
Just out of curiosity, and for something to post.  In the UK, only Dancing Queen has achieved sales of over 1 million, however two songs are not far away Super Trouper approx 978,000 and Knowing Me Knowing You on approx 973,000.. Last totals in 2010 had ST on 815,00 therefore an increase of 163,000, which is approx 18,000 per year.. so sometime next year ?? KMKY .2010. A 128,000 increase.. approx 14,500 a year . 2021 ? Anyone guess/speculate when they will get to that magic one million? Is MM2 having any real effect.. or all so unknown.. it could be 2050 .... as Gold is still selling well if you can call on average 2500 units a week well, but hey still in the UK top 40 weekly best sellers, just spent its 100th consecutive week !!!on it.. does that have any bearing on single sales? over to Colin I guess ? |
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Post by madonnabba on Jun 6, 2019 7:24:03 GMT
They are both so close to the million! Maybe when Mamma Mia 2 is televised on BBC 1 or Itv and the release of the new song later in the year , will be enough to generate more interest and push them over the million mark. Thought Fernando would be closer to the million after Mamma Mia 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 7:52:38 GMT
I think that the constant UK Sales of 'ABBA Gold', (over 2,000 every Week), do stop people from
Downloading their Singles. However, a great many people listen to them on Streaming services
and The Official Charts Company converts them into Sales. So, ABBA Singles are still getting UK
Sales added to them.
'ABBA Gold' is fast approaching 5,600,000 UK Sales. It is really on about 5,800,000, but The OCC
have 'lost' around 200,000 of its Sales! (That is nothing, 'Legend' by Bob Marley & The Wailers has
'lost' around 800,000 of its UK Sales, since 1984! The OCC give it well over 3,000,000 UK Sales,
but it is really on well over 4,000.000 UK Sales).
So far, in 2019, 'ABBA Gold' has sold 53,000 UK copies, and it is the 31st Best Seller of the Year.
It should reach 90,000 to 100,000 UK Sales by the end of December...
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Post by gary on May 22, 2021 9:25:57 GMT
I just read on Facebook (so it must be true!) that Mamma Mia has become ABBA’s second million seller in the UK, after Dancing Queen. I wondered if anyone (by which I mean Colin!) can confirm this. I realise the million figure is achieved by adding post-2004 sales to pre-2004 sales, so there is not an actual award.
Also, as discussed before, Super Trouper and Knowing Me Knowing You must be very close to being million sellers now, surely?
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on May 22, 2021 15:49:52 GMT
Gary -- The B.P.I., (British Phonographic Industry), usually gives out a lot of UK Sales Awards on a Friday.
The B.P.I. share the same Building as The Official UK Charts Company. It is my understanding that The B.P.I.
are the 'Bosses' of The OCC. Although, some People have told me that it is the other way around. The OCC
gather in UK Sales Data, (Singles, Albums, Films etc.), and pass it on to The B.P.I., whenever a Single, or
Album, Or Film, reaches a UK Sales Milestone. (Silver, Gold, Platinum).
Regarding ABBA -- The B.P.I. gave the 'Mamma Mia' Single, a Platinum Award, yesterday. It means that it
has sold over 600,000 UK copies, in Downloads and Streams, since November 14th 2004. 'Mamma Mia'
was the UK's 266th Best Seller of the 1970's. (It sounds very low, but ABBA had around 7 Singles, in the
Top 125 of the 1970's, with 5 in the Top 100. No other Act did so well).
'Mamma Mia's' 1970's Sales, were around 410,000. Added to its 600,000+ Sales, since November 2004, and
it becomes a UK Million Seller. It's the 2nd ABBA Single to get a UK Platinum Award. 'Dancing Queen' got one
on Friday 21st June 2019. With its 1976 Sales, + 1992 Sales, plus the 600,000 UK Sales, since 2004, made it
ABBA's 1st UK Million Selling Single.
My Friend, Sean, who creates the 1980's Chart Books, (1980 and 1981, so far), is very good at calculating UK
Singles & Albums Sales. He estimates, that ABBA's 2nd biggest UK Single, is 'Super Trouper', followed by 1977's
'Knowing Me, Knowing You'. Then 'Take A Chance On Me', and 'The Winner Takes It All'. Now, 'Mamma Mia' has
become their 6th UK Million Seller. (It looks like 'Fernando' is almost their 7th).
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Post by gary on May 22, 2021 23:34:08 GMT
Thanks Colin. I’m still a bit unclear. Will Mamma Mia (and indeed any other ABBA singles) join Dancing Queen on the OCC’s list of million-selling singles? Or does it not work that way for some reason? I like the idea that ABBA might have had seven million sellers. That’s more than The Beatles, from memory.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on May 23, 2021 2:37:45 GMT
Gary -- The OCC don't always combine Physical and Download/Streaming Sales, in their 'All Time' UK Singles
Lists. That's why only 'Dancing Queen', (so far), appears in them. It is the only ABBA Single to sell a Million
Physical UK copies. That's Vinyl and CD Sales, combined.
The Beatles have 11 UK Million Selling Singles, (adding in Streaming and Downloads). With another 6 Singles,
that are almost there - over 900,000, but less than a Million. Queen also have 11 UK Million Selling Singles.
Big Acts, in the Streaming Era, have such a huge Sales advantage, that Ed Sheeran has 20 UK Million Sellers,
and Drake has 14!
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Post by gary on May 23, 2021 19:27:48 GMT
Thanks Colin. I am clearly a bit behind the times!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 9:12:07 GMT
Just a couple of points.
1. Digital awards include streaming not just downloads
2. Streams aren't sales!
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 12, 2021 12:07:07 GMT
Johnny -- But The B.P.I. regards Streams as Sales, which is why an Act like Ed Sheeran,
gets a great many UK Platinum Singles Awards, when the bulk of his 'Sales' are made up
of Streams. He has gigantic UK Singles Sales Awards - 'Shape Of You' is 8 X Platinum. The
B.P.I. regard it as having sold over 4,800,000 UK copies! Most of them are from Streaming.
He also has 2 Singles with 6 UK Platinum Awards - 3,600,000 'Sales' each. ABBA get Sales
Awards for UK Streaming too, (and Downloads), but the Awards are tiny, compared to those
of Ed Sheeran.
That is how UK 'Sales' are now calculated. It is of no consequence, whether we think it is 'fair',
or not. This Week Drake's Album 'Sold' over 45,000 to be a UK No.1. But only 2,028 of its 'Sales'
were Physical. The rest were all Streams! Iron Maiden's New Album actually sold more Physical
copies, than Drake's - by far. It was the UK's Best Selling Album, last Week. But Drake had far
more Streams, so he got the No.1 Album and Iron Maiden are No.2. That is because the UK
Charts Company sees Streams as far more important than CD's, Vinyl, Cassettes, and Downloads.
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Post by madonnabba on Sept 12, 2021 16:08:19 GMT
Its a strange one. 1000 fans constantly streaming the same song could get an artist to number one but 2000 fans actually buying a physical copy could not get their artist to number one. So it does not necessarily prove an artist is more popular just that they might have a hard-core of fans streaming the same songs over and over again. That's my understanding of it. The only way it could be truly measured would be that one stream from one device counts the first time only. Bad Habits is a good song but not good enough to be in top position for 11 weeks.
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Post by johnny on Sept 28, 2023 7:48:55 GMT
Colin/OnlyAbba4meagain
Yes, I do know the OCC counts streaming for charts and BPI for certification. They aren't real sales though.
I have noticed recently the OCC have dropped the term "chart sales" to "chart units"
Latest certification: Honey Honey (from Mamma Mia)
This has been awarded a Gold Disc (400,000 equivalent sales). It is the first song from a Mamma Mia movie to get a gold disc - quite a few have Silver.
This is a higher certification than many actual ABBA songs. I fail to see why people would listen to this at all.
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Post by johnny on Oct 27, 2023 16:29:06 GMT
Honey Honey goes Silver in the UK (200,000 sales equivalent) and Super Trouper on Platinum, 600,000
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